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Chat Chai and Christ (real life discussions)

Please Note: These are snippets of recent real life discussions among good friends. They were never intended to debunk anyone; the spiritual dialogues are intended to help our friends think through their beliefs. They are published here to help gain insight into the Eastern way of thinking. They are based on recollections and might not be accurate word for word, but the contents should be dead on. 

The YS is a person from Yeshu Samaj, having a conversation with a friend. 

1. White Lies 
Context: Generally people believe it’s OK to lie if no one gets hurt. In some cases, our friends think its ok to lie if the outcome of it something positive. 

YS: When is it OK to lie?

Friend: If the outcome is positive, it is OK to lie. 

YS: Who makes the determination about the extent of damage as a result of lying and the outcome that results from it? 

Friend: we should assess it. For example, if someone demands that I tell them where a certain person is, so that they can harm this person, then I can lie about their whereabouts to prevent them from getting in harms way. It also saves me from getting in trouble. 

YS: While that sounds like a better choice, in the whole decision making process we have left God out. What would God think about that? If God wants us to be truthful, but in circumstances like this God makes exceptions based on our choice, then God is not omnipotent (all powerful) enough to change the outcome when someone obeys Him. 

Friend: So are you saying that in a circumstance like that we have to give away the whereabouts of that person? 

YS: No, instead we can say that we are unwilling to reveal the location, so as to prevent this person from getting in harms way. Of course to do this we have to have confidence in God’s sovereignty and should understand that it is better to suffer for truth than to lie and avoid the situation. 

Friend: I am not there yet in my personal belief. 

YS: I can take no credit for my personal faith as Jesus is the author and finisher of our faith in Him. In fact Jesus says, “Whoever tries to save his life shall loose it. But whoever looses it for Jesus’ sake will find it” (Mt 16:25) 

2. Purpose of life
Context: We generally have a tough time understanding the purpose of life. 

YS: What do you think is the purpose of human existence? 

Friend: Not sure, how to answer this question. 

YS: I was in the same position before I heard it for the first time. Of course, I was very prideful and did not want to admit that I did not know the answer. You seem to be more sincere and I am thankful for your openness. 

Friend: Well is there an answer? 

YS: Yes, it is to glorify God. Just like when you develop software, you expect it to work per design. When the product works the way you designed it, it brings you credit. In the same way, God designed us and when we live for what we are designed, God gets the glory. 

Friend: But how do you know what that is? 

YS: We cannot know the purpose unless we know our maker. Also, the purpose is just not an accomplishment in the future; it is also continuously attained in each act of obedience to the Internal Guru (Holy Spirit) in ordinary day to day living. 

Friend: That’s a good answer. I have to think about it. 

3. Transcendental Meditation (TM) 
Context: A practitioner of TM is one who attempts to transcend human limitation to reach a god conscious state. 

Friend: I practice TM and I feel like I am in a box waiting to break open the lid to connect with the cosmos to be united. 

YS: I felt the same way when I practiced TM. But what I have found now is that God wants to come inside the box, instead of us going out. 

Friend: My wife is a Catholic, but I have not heard it explained that way. 

YS: In fact the Bible indicates that Jesus is knocking on the lid and it is up to us to respond to it and open the lid to allow him in and be permanently united with Him. 

4. The acharya chain 
Context: Just like the Dalai Lamas, in some sects of Hinduism, there are acharyas (gurus) who are identified for each generation. Generally it is believed that the first acharya has direct link to God and each one after the first is linked to the previous acharya like an engine and the caboose or compartments. Each acharya helps that particular generation to connect with God through the chain of acharyas. 

Friend: Each acharya is divine and are chosen by the elite gurus to make a new link in the chain of acharyas to connect humanity to God, through the direct link the first acharya has. 

YS: As good as that might sound, a chain is only as good as its weakest link. There are lots of questions about the true authenticity of one of them (leaving out the name), what do you think will happen to people who believe in that particular lineage of acharya? 

Friend: That is true for that one particular one, but the others don’t have such issues. 

YS: As long as humans form the chain, there is always a possibility of having one imperfect link causing the rest of the chain to be affected. That problem can be avoided if God himself became the only link for humans. 

Friend: But how can that happen, then God has to come for each generation. 

YS: The Bible indicates that there is no mediator between God and man, except the man Jesus, who made himself as prayaschit for all humans (1 Timothy 2:5,6) Further, the reason we have to have many acharyas is that human acharya’s eventually die. But Jesus resurrected and alive today to connect with us, becoming the permanent mediator for humanity. 

Friend: I don’t know how to respond to that. But if I find an answer are you willing to follow the acharyas? 

YS: We definitely can continue discussing where we left off. But if you are not able to find an answer that convinces you, will you continue discovering more about Jesus? 

Friend: It’s a deal. 

5. I am god 

Context: In the Gynana marga of Hinduism, a human is attempting to dispel illusion (maya) and attempts realization of the true self. It is believed that when a person truly reaches this state, they will recognize that they are part of God. 

Friend: I am god 

YS: Would you say that you created the universe 

Friend: (After a bit if hesitation) why not, yes I created it. 

YS: That’s great. Since you created the universe you should be able to answer any question I have about your creation. Can I ask you a few questions …? 

Friend: I am not there yet in my pursuit, when I am there I should be able to answer the questions. 

YS: So do you know when you will become god? 

Friend: I don’t know.